Bat-Fleck and Amazon Origins Lead New BATMAN VS SUPERMAN Rumors

By on Sunday, January 5th, 2014

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The as-of-yet untitled Batman vs. Superman film has become a source of numerous rumors, whether they’re about the who the villain is or on which Justice League members will appear. Sometimes even both! Wait, no, that was just wishful thinking on my part wanting Lex Luthor to get ahold of a Green Lantern ring.

However, our good friend Jett over at Batman-On-Film has always been reliable when it comes to getting information on Batman when he makes cinematic appearances, and as a gift to start the New Year off right, he’s answered some questions regarding the the film itself, Batman’s role in it, villains, allies, etc. You can check out the full Q&A below which includes answers on other subjects as well, but I’ve gone through and listed the highlights below about the upcoming team-up movie.

  • Jason Momoa is not playing Aquaman or Martian Manhunter because neither are appearing in the movie.
  • Wonder Woman’s role in the movie will be similar to Scarlett Johansson role as Black Widow in Iron Man 2. It will be a cameo type role that will set her up for her own movie.
  • The Amazons in the film will be descendants of Kryptonians who set up outposts on different planets thousands of years ago. Wonder Woman herself would also be powered down in comparison to Superman since her ancestors have adapted to living on Earth.
  • Expect a look at Ben Affleck’s Batman suit very soon since principal photography will be starting shortly.
  • Jett assures fans not to worry about this film actually being a Justice League film. This is still primarily a Superman film with Batman and Wonder Woman appearing in it.
  • Jett also believes that we will eventually see another Superman film in the future that doesn’t have other DC characters in it.
  • It’s wishful thinking at this point to assume that the TV show Arrow will be connected to the DC movies.
  • The Batman of this film will based on “a healthy amount of DARK KNIGHT RETURNS, a bit of KINGDOM COME, and just a dash of BATMAN BEYOND.”
  • No Batman villains in the film.
  • The Basuit will look a little different from what we’re used to. There will probably not be any shades of blue on it, and it will be a kind of Bat-armor with “BATMAN BEYOND/KINGDOM COME sort of capabilities.”

Holy crap, that’s a lot of info to take in. First off, I’m glad that appearances from other DC heroes is limited to just Batman and Wonder Woman. While I still have doubts whether this can be a true Superman sequel with these other heroes appearing, it’s good to know that it will mainly focus on him. I’m also glad that they won’t add any Batman villains to the mix. I want to see characters from  Superman’s rogues gallery throw down with him in the movie. I’d still like the rumor about Lex Luthor appearing to be true, but I want him IN ADDITION to another Superman villain, like Metallo or Parasite.

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Going off Wonder Woman, I’m glad they’re setting her up for a solo film since she’s one of the most iconic superheroes ever known and she deserves a chance to shine on her own. I also find the theory on the Amazons descending from the Kryptonians quite intriguing. It’s a lot better than the crappy “made out of clay” origin. If it ends up being true, I’m curious to see how Superman reacts to learning his people set up these outposts on Earth and other planets.

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As for Batman, we sort of knew this already, but it sounds like we’ll be getting an older, more experienced Batman, at least in comparison to the Nolanverse Batman. The Bat-armor has me slightly concerned because I don’t want the DC version of the Iron Man suit (save that for Steel’s inevitable return to the big screen). Still, I’m eager to see a Bat-suit that’s different from what we’ve seen in the past two film series. Producers, show us a picture of the Batfleck soon!

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Like Jett said, principal photography is starting soon, so it won’t be long before we get our first visuals from the movie, even if they are only fuzzy images of the set taken with a zoom lens. Hey, we’ll take anything we can get!

UPDATE: Batmobile in Batman vs Superman! We’ve got the news

SOURCE: Batman-On-Film

S#!T Talking Central

  • Josh White

    I’m really hoping the Kryptonian Amazons rumor is false. How would they have magic villains like Circe, and Ares?

    • Praveen

      I, unlike you, am genuinely hoping that the Kryptonian Amazon rumor is 100% true. It would make so much more sense than some greek-mythology-made-out-of-clay crap. Linking the Amazons to the Kyrptonian outposts would make this version of the DC Universe seem a hell of a lot more connected.
      As for explaining Magic Villians like Circe and Ares, it can likely be explained with the help of Arthur C. Clarke’s 3rd law, “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”.
      Whatever little people knew about the Amazons in this continuity was far beyond their imagination that they classified them as Myths and Gods. Seems right to me.

      • Josh White

        Wonder Woman is no longer formed from clay she is the child of Zeus and Hippolyta in the New 52. Other than that you’ve proven me wrong I guess but I am still uneasy that they are changing every Amazonian and “family” origins around and it could just get messy.

        • jarayt

          They can portray what you mentioned as the “human” belief of the WW origins as ancient civilization cannot comprehend/understand the real E.T. origin… thus, it will WORK.

      • gaytrekkie

        There are ways to “modernize” the Greek Gods without making them Kryptonian. They were able to make the Norse Gods work with Thor, why not Greek Gods? And why would need to keep everything “connected”??? Will the rest of the Justice League be Kyptonian as well? Aquaman will be from the “aquarian” outpost and Martian Manhunter from the “martian” outpost? Wonder Woman is *the* most iconic female superhero of all time and this reduces her to a generic (and weaker!) Superman clone.

        • jarayt

          Superman =/= Thor… and Thor is sooo gh3y…

          • evillordzog

            Mispelling the word doesn’t change the basic bigotry in using it.

        • Silver

          The “gods” in Thor weren’t even fantasy. They were the Ultimate-version which makes them almost equivalent to multi-dimensional aliens.

      • JMG

        The thing is though it would make more sense if they connect the Amazons to Darkseid’s home world instead of Krypton just by making the Greek Gods be the aliens, mainly the “Old Gods” in Jack Kirby’s Fourth World, that way the Amazons can just be humans and Wonder Woman having powers because of her father Zeus.

        • Mila

          Wonder Woman should NOT be connected to anything that comes from Superman, and that includes Darkseid.

          • TheAnon

            But Darkseid does not come from Superman? He is from Jack Kerby’s Fourth World which, while including Superman in is start, grew to be beyond any preestablished DC line. The Fourth World stands alone in its own right.

          • TheAnon

            *Kirby’s

          • Mila

            No matter, he’s still a villain of the Superman.

      • Mila

        Never read so much bullshit as now.

      • Alex

        “whatever little people knew about the Amazons”

        I don’t think there is a high school cirriculum that doesn’t include a Greek Myth project. Hercules and Xena were major shows in the 90s and keep geek/nerd fan culture going while DC comics wasn’t a presence.

        “Linking the Amazons to the Kryptonian outposts” is a terrible idea that diminishes the potential of a universe by making everything about Superman.

  • Adam Holmes

    That’s a good point. Maybe the Kryptonian colonists were the inspiration for these gods?

  • Sandro

    Thanks for the post, I really enjoyed it.

    A couple of things to correct. I think you meant “iconic” and not “conic.” Also, “we get our first visuals” and not “we get out first visuals.”

    • Adam Holmes

      Thanks for letting me know! I’ll correct that now.

    • Unleash The Fanboy

      Why don’t you shoot me an e-mail, editor@unleashthefanboy.com

      You’re contributing a lot to the community so maybe we can find you a spot

  • gaytrekkie

    No no no!!!! Wonder Woman is and should be her own hero with her own unique origin – a female equivalent/counterpart to Superman. This is basically just an altered version of Supergirl – a weaker version of Supergirl too! And how will they explain Amazonian Kryptonians? WTF??? I was completely behind this movie until this. Thor had Norse gods work, they can make Wonder Woman work with greek gods, who are more familiar and more interesting. Get it together people!

    • Mary229

      Even calling her a female “counterpart” to Superman does her a massive disservice. Wonder Woman has her own origin, her own supporting cast, her own narrative and her own story and NONE of it should have anything to do with Superman. EVER. This is sexist bullshit.

    • Silver

      “Norse gods work”

      They were Aliens. From another dimension. They were not very fantastical in nature.

      • Wiccy

        Right, because there is nothing at all “fantastical in nature” about superpowered humanoid beings from another dimension who come to Earth via a rainbow bridge welding magical weapons to fight Ice Giants and Dark Elves. Not at all.

  • Wiccy

    There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with Diana’s ORIGINAL origin story. Anyone who calls it “crappy” needs to take a flying leap. Her origins are FAR more interesting and have FAR more potential than that of Batman OR Superman.

    Would we call for “connecting” Batman’s origins to Superman’s? Then why the ever-loving F%&Ksticks are we doing it for Diana?!

    I just can’t even with this shit.

  • kishi

    “Wonder Woman herself would also be powered down in comparison to Superman since her ancestors have adapted to living on Earth.”

    Screw that.

  • Mila

    That crap movie will ruin Wonder Woman.

    • Jenna Liam

      You’ll be one of the first waiting in line.

      • Mila

        Not at all. I have 0 desire to see this movie.

  • nerdyrantz

    Why do people keep perpetuating this stupid rumor about Wonder Woman’s origin. Some blogger came up with an absurd idea and is stating it as if it is true. He hasn’t read the script and has no clue what they are doing in it. So why do other sites keep quoting him like he has some insight.

  • Eamon

    One, that clay origin you’re insulting is based on the story of the titan Prometheus creating the human race from clay, a common element in origin stories in mythology. It’s far better than that bullshit in the new 52 or this dumb rumor.
    And two, I pray these rumors do not turn out to be true.

    • Adam Holmes

      I can appreciate the importance the clay creation plays in mythology, I just don’t particularly like that one aspect of the character’s origin. Nothing personal towards her, and I also happen to like everything else about Wonder Woman’s origins.

  • Mary229

    Petition to save Wonder Woman and Lois Lane from this movie and instead write them as lovers and best friends where Wonder Woman is the superhero and Lois is her journalist lover.

    • Adam Holmes

      I’d watch that.

  • Rudy desi

    A lot of speculations at this point..but please dont mess with wonder womans origin. Give her the 52 version. She needs her own identity. If thor worked so should ww. It would be a terrible lazy way for her own origin. Maybe it will set up supergirls and other kryptonian beings. As far as the bat suit it needs to be black and grey like arkam asylum and 52s. Most of what im reading on this movie sounds like bs. The whole green lantern thing sounds ridiculous at this point keep ryan reynolds.

    • Adam Holmes

      While I don’t want GL showing up in this movie, I’m mixed on Ryan Reynolds. On the one hand, I thought he played Hal Jordan pretty well and would like to see him get another chance at the role. However, I also think the GL move franchise might have a better shot at a comeback if they introduce John Stewart the main character in a new movie to separate it from the previous movie, but at the same time not having to reboot the continuity.

      • Rudy desi

        Bad parts about gl film were that screaming idiot, the suit and too much cheesy cgi. Keep ryan and retweak it. They can have both stewart and jordan

  • AshVeridian

    You know what? If the Amazon rumors are true, then just spare us all and write Wondy out of this. Nobody deserves to be powered down, have their stories mangled just to prop up Supes and Bats.

  • Harley

    They lost me at “actually Kryptonian” and especially “powered down.” Yes, lets use the female superhero as a prop.

  • fuckusnyder

    Aaaaaaaand they fucked up with Woder Woman’s origin. “Crappy clay origin”? Excuse me? If it worked for Thor is will work for her. Fuck everything im pissed…

    • Silver

      Thor Film Universe is based on Ultimate-universe where they are essentially multi-dimensional Aliens. Why do people say this works? It proved to be hugely inconsistent.

      He was severely depowered in the Avengers when CAPTAIN AMERICA took him down.

      • Wiccy

        What in Themyscira are you even on about right now?

  • spanglesandsass

    “ It’s a lot better than the crappy “made out of clay” origin. ”

    I’m trying to understand why the made out of clay origin equals “crap” to some people? If it really bothers most people as being completely unrealistic (because you know aliens and being powered by the yellow sun and having the “codex” of your entire species hardwired into your DNA is totally believable) then they could use the New 52 origin which involves sex. would that satisfy you? Or do you just hate female heroes being equal to male heroes?

    See this bullshit right here is why I no longer support DC with any of my money. If I have to choose between the big two I’m going to Marvel. They have no problem making things like Green badass ladies, Norse Gods and talking raccoon’s. I will never support DC again if this is how they choose to treat anyone who isn’t your stereotypical white male.

    • Adam Holmes

      If you read the reply I made to a previous comment, you’ll see I stated I only happen to dislike the “made out of clay” part of her origin, but happen to like everything else. I in no way said I want female heroes being less than equal to male heroes. I think Wonder Woman SHOULD be as powerful as Superman, and even though I find this Kryptonian theory intriguing, I think it would be better if they worked the Greek Gods somehow into her background, even if it is the New 52 origin.

      • spanglesandsass

        I apologize, I did not mean that ‘you’ specifically, it was meant more generally. However, when a statement goes out of its way to make sure we readers understand that she will be weaker than superman, it comes across as “shes the woman so she should be weaker and here’s our bullshit ‘comic book science’ excuse to make that happen”. And it IS a bs excuse, unless I’m missing something here, I don’t recall the concept of living on earth for an extended period of time equaling powered down in the movie? If that is a stated concept in Man of Steel I was unaware. My understanding is that the longer a Kryptonian is exposed to earths sun and elements the more powerful they become which is what gave him the advantage over Zod in the end.

        I did read your reply, and I understand that you do not like the original origin of Wonder Woman, which is fine. But I do. I think that many fans do, and that to remove her origin story, either version, is to remove something essential to who the character is. There is a point at which the alterations to a characters story stop being alterations, and become brand new character creation. There is a line, and this in my opinion would be crossing it. Taking her origin, from her is taking part of her identity away from her.
        The kryptonian theory is intriguing. I would like to see superman react to finding out he is not the last of his species. But this isn’t the way to do that. Either make a new character or introduce Supergirl.

        • Adam Holmes

          Yeah, I understand wanting to keep as much of the original origin as intact as possible. Honestly, considering that this is already mainly a Superman movie with Batman as a supporting character and Wonder Woman appearing only for a little bit, it wouldn’t surprise me if we don’t see the full background of her or the Amazons until her solo movie comes out, and Warner Bros. would be stupid not to give her one.

  • InsaneNikral

    So her gaining her powers from the Gods isn’t too much of a stretch, but being born of clay is?
    In most canons, yes Wonderwoman in the sense of DURABILITY is weaker than Superman, as in a fully enraged Superman is capable of breaking her bones. However, THE FACT ONLY A ENRAGED SUPERMAN CAN BREAK HER BONES IS IMPRESSIVE. Unlike were a completely calm Superman’s skull has broken Batman’s bones when the broody Bat has punched him in the face.

    I think it’s absolutely insulting to make Wonderwoman a Kryptonian. It lessens the emotional impact of Superman destroying his Kryptonian heritage for the sake of his Earth heritage, and it ruins the whole “Last of the Kryptonians” role he usually plays. (Though that eventually get’s revoked by the introduction of Supergirl and Powergirl, but it should only be his DIRECT relatives that should revoke that role.)

    Of course it’s more insulting to Wonderwoman because she now no longer has a original, unconnected origin that is both iconic and Hellenic in nature.

    If the film-makers are so terrified of losing the general public because of the Greek Gods’ presence, do it like Thor did since it went over well.

    I pray this is a false rumor, only for the film-makers as they will lose a good number of potential viewers that were only going to get a glimpse of Wonderwoman.

    Not only that but this would confuse general audiences if the film enticed them to read the comics, and suddenly Greek Gods exist and Wonderwoman is a super powerful Greek demi-god. (Although I hate the current origin).

  • Alex

    It’s a lot better than the crappy “made out of clay” origin.

    That sounds a lot better than “hamfisted Kryptonian connection that isn’t canon.” It sounds like Wonder Woman is being done a major injustice.

  • Samuel

    I like this new origin for Wonder Woman. Long before Wonder
    Woman was even rumored to appear in MOS, I believed that Wonder Woman of the DC Cinematic Universe will have a Kryptonian origin. My theory is as follows.

    After crash landing on earth (the empty sleeper pod), Kara (from the MOS
    comics) introduced Kryptonian technology and knowledge to Earth. The Kryptonian technology she introduced gave rise to to Amazons. Millenniums later, Kara’s Kryptonian origin or Kara for that matter was all but forgotten, but she would live on in Amazonian mythology as Aphrodite (Pre-Crisis Origin of the Amazon).

    This theory is not outlandish at all and there are real life examples of this. For example, when Hernan Cortez first arrived in the Aztec Empire, he was believed to be Quetzalcoatl. The only difference is that Cortez went onto destroying the Aztec Empire…

    This is also similar to the Asgardian’s origin in the MCU, but instead of superpowered begins from another dimension, only Kara was from
    another planet and her access to Kryptonian technology and her knowledge uplifted the Amazons. In fact, Kara would epitomize Jor El’s quote, “You will give the people an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun.” Kara served as a bridge between Krypton and the Amazon, like Jor-El said.

  • ZodistA

    Kryptonian Amazons? Not a chance!

  • miranda

    NO!!! Do not power down wonder woman.Making the amazons decendents from Krypton is a horrible idea. Do not do this…it will ruin Wonder Woman. Either stay true to the comics or do not use her. She rooted in Greek Mythology, born from the gods.If you want to make the greek gods aliens, fine, but not from krypton. If you want to do like thor, fine! Just do not make them part of superman mythology. Not from krypton! Keep her powerful and true to the comics.

  • miranda

    No kryptonian amazons! Do not de power wonder woman. Stay true to the wonder woman we all know and love, born of the gods.

  • Mad Maudlin

    Make Wonder Woman a Kryptonian if you must. Just don’t depower her. That’s stupid and sexist.

  • Kalthoom Bouderdaben

    I don’t know much about DC, mostly because my comic book reading came from what I could sneak into the house via the library and they had more Marvel comics than DC available, but I remember Wonder Woman going toe-to-toe with Superman and I loved that. If they need a way to explain why Amazons were as they were, I don’t mind the Krypton explanation – but why would living near a yellow star, the thing that gives Superman his strength, de-power them over generations? Would they not, in fact, soak up more and more of that radiation and grow stronger and stronger? I don’t understand the logic in the “powering down” explanation.

    Additionally, Natasha did not have a ‘cameo’ role in Iron Man 2; she was the impetus that allowed Iron Man to actually defeat his opponents/conflicts within that movie. If Wonder Woman appears in a similar fashion as that, it would not be a ‘cameo’ so using that word makes me worry they aren’t really going to give Wonder Woman all that much screen time.

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