SARUMAN vs SAURON Is Happening!!! Tolkien Totally Would’ve Wanted This!

Last week, when the final trailer for Peter Jackson’s The Hobbit: The Battle of Five Armies debuted, long time Tolkienites were treated to an ominous message. Well, ‘treated’ might not be the word for such an occasion. Perhaps ‘insulted’? ‘Humiliated’? ‘Crushed like so many Rohirrim riding against an Oliphant’?

You guys REALLY hate Jackson, especially when he plays fast and loose with Middle-Earth canon. And make no mistake, Peter Jackson totally took some liberties in The Battle of Five Armies. Particularly with the Siege of Dol Guldur. In that classic…

Wait a second. Massive spoilers ahead!!! Turn back if you want to retain your Tolkien chastity.

sauron the hobbitOkay, now that the warning’s out of the way… In that classic piece of Middle Earth lore, the White Council exiles Sauron (who hasn’t yet regained his badass physical form) from Dol Guldur. Eventually, his wandering spirit returns to Mordor, leading to the events in the Lord of the Rings. Now, this whole Dol Guldur skurfuffle was never included in The Hobbit. It’s canon, of course, but only accessible to readers through the appendices at the end of the LOTR. In that way, it’s not properly part of the book’s narrative. But Peter Jackson adapted the Dol Guldur scene and several other Sauron-heavy plot threads in order to connect the two trilogies.

For the most part, none of these extra bits are non-canonical. And besides the gluttonous CGI segments, the Sauron sub-plot pisses off Tolkienites the most. They would prefer if The Hobbit film focused entirely focused on Bilbo and his adventure. While refocusing the story on a broader war, Bilbo Baggins and his heroic journey are lost in the shuffle.

Not that I mind. Sure, I’d be curious to see a more Bilbo-centric film, but this badass Dwarf vs. Dragon vs. Human vs. Sauron vs. Wizards saga is right up my alley.

Well, continuing his long tradition, Peter Jackson’s added a Saruman vs Sauron duel. At least, that’s what the latest trailer implies. In a brief scene, we witness Elrond and Galadriel rescue Gandalf from Sauron’s Dol Guldur Palace. The scene quickly cuts to Christopher Lee’s Saruman (who’s looking kinda haggard) as he utters “Leave Sauron to me” in his best impression of a generic 80’s action star.

Cue CGI Saruman blasting magic fire balls at a non corporeal Sauron.

That last bit was meant to be a joke, but it has some truth to it. Christopher Lee is far too old to film action scenes, so if he battles Sauron in any way, he’ll almost certainly be switched with a CGI version of the White Wizard. You know, I defend these movies as much as I possibly can, but even I question the overabundance of CGI in Middle-Earth. Sigh.

S#!T Talking Central

  • AK195

    Nope, there was no Saruman vs Sauron. For some idiotic reason they had Galadriel as the one to beat Sauron. You have 3 goddamn Wizards there but they make the Elf beat Sauron? Why, because they wanted to have a woman look more powerful than everyone else? PJ’s an idiot.

    • XYZ

      Read books please… Galadriel singlehanded DESTROYED Dol Guldur fortress – which wasn’t shown – and forced Sauron to flee to Mordor. Who is an idiot now? PJ did not imagined this.

      • AK195

        Wrong. Galadriel did not destroy Dol Guldur until after the War of the Ring, which was some 70 years after Sauron had already fled to Mordor. Sauron was driven from Dol Guldur “by the devices of Saruman”.

        So you see, Sauron was long gone from Dol Guldur by the time Galadriel “threw down its walls and laid bare its pits”.

        • David S

          There was a sketchy version where Galadriel destroyed it when they marched on it. Then it was after Sauron was finally vanquished. So you are correct, but XYZ’s story is almost a match to a sketchy version but Sauron knew he was going to Mordor so he gave up easily. Irrelevant to the point. Peter Jackson tool liberties but got the point across but Gandalf was very much in the fight. The Istari where Maiar, and even Rhadaghast was in the council and was more powerful than PJ portrayed. XYZ’s point that she single-handedly destroyed it at least makes a point to the original poster who doesn’t seem to grasp Galadriel’s power. Gandalf the Gray could not have accomplished such a task.

    • Davd

      You shouldn’t call people names like idiot when you are clueless. First of all, there are different accounts of the White Council’s attack on Dol Goldur. There are also other sources than the appendice in Lord of the Rings. Many of Tolkien’s writings that go into more detail were written about 1950. In one version, Galadriel destroys Dol Goldur but it is Saruman who defeats Sauron using some of his weaponry that he dabbled with. In other versions, Dol Goldur was left standing. Some think it’s not clear if the White Council went alone, but in reality an army of Elves went with them hence “They marched on Dol Goldor”. You know nothing of Galadriel or her power so you obviously haven’t read even the Silmarillion. Idiot. Galadriel was no normal elf. She was more powerful than both Saruman and Gandalf. DId you even read these books? Saruman was arrogant, wanted the ring for himself and despite his “allegiance to Sauron” later, he referred to himself as Saruman of Many Colors. More impressed with his former being, than his venture into the world as an Istari. Sauron gave up pretty easily because he had already planned his return to Mordor. Check any Tolkien page, wiki, or preferably read the damn books before you call people an idiot. Jackson took liberties but in the first Hobbit, the Necromancer was just a literary tool to separate Gandalf from them. In the second edition, Tolkien infused additional edits and changes so as to hint of the Lord of The Rings. SO there’s that. Saruman lived after the defeat at Isengaard which Jackson ended better. Tolkien with his prolific nature has him escape to the Shire with Wormtongue, call himself Starky and the end of the Hobbit just gets a bit ridiculous. So some of PJ’s liberties where to just make the point that Sauron was beaten by the White Council, which in the books consisted of many including Rhadagast. But yes, Galadriel was more powerful than Gandalf and Saruman. How long ago did you read the books. I have read LOTR 7 times, 2 editions of the Hobbit when I was 17 and I look up many of the details that time and life has taken from my memory. But YOU are an idiot for not looking shit up before you call names or share your silly notions.

      • David S

        Oh and in another version, it is Galdriel whose “phial” the same light she gave Frodo that destroyed Sauron. Tolkien wrote “Unfiinished Tales”, he also sketched stories in appendices. Galadriel didn’t like Saruman being head of the White Council, she like Gandalf already distrusted him (she had a gift for reading into the minds of people”. She was one of the high elves. and was exiled in the SIlmarillion after her revolt. She is allowed to return to the Gray Havens, after she “passed the test” and turned down the ring. So did Gandalf, so did Elrond. Saruman did not. Why her husband Celeborn didn’t play a larger role I don’t know. It was Gandalf going to Dol Goldur to PROVE Sauron was back that Saruman had to agree to attack. But he had fooled them at the Council in the Hobbit since he was looking for the ring himself, and told them that it had been washed out to sea. He suspected otherwise. There were many at the White Council. But Saruman, Galadriel, Elrond and even Gandalf fought. Well, read it for yourself dude.

      • AK195

        Good for you, but you still have no clue what the hell you’re talking about. In Tolkien’s essay on the Istari in Unfinished Tales, he specifically mentions that Galadriel is incapable of punitive action against Sauron, and in his letters he makes it clear that only the Istari would possibly be able to match Sauron power for power. I’ve read The Silmarillion plenty of times you jackass, and there is nothing in it that would imply that Galadriel is more powerful than the Istari. The Istari are of a higher order than the Elves, the Istari are Maiar who existed before Arda. The Istari were specifically chosen because they were “mighty, peers of Sauron”, and if you’ve read these books as much as you claim to, than you’d know that Sauron was a very powerful Maia.

        Galadriel is NEVER ONCE mentioned in conjunction with routing Sauron from Dol Guldur, the only time she entered Dol Guldur in the lore was AFTER the One Ring was destroyed. There is no account of Galadriel entering Dol Guldur with the White Council during the event of the Quest of Erebor, we only know for certain that Gandalf and Saruman were involved. Nice attempt at trying to justify PJ’s idiotic choices though, moron.